Q&A: How Chase Edmonds got his groove back
He was ready to bust out in 2022. Instead? Edmonds faced another mental battle in Miami. How did the RB pick up the pieces in Tampa Bay? Here's the written transcript of our conversation.
The last time we connected with Chase Edmonds was down in South Florida. Both the sun and the guns were out. It was the summer of 2022 and Edmonds was slated to start at running back in Mike McDaniel’s fun-and-gun offense. Visions of 1,000-yard seasons and championships were in the air as Edmonds trained like a madman and dissected his master plan.
Edmonds guided Go Long readers through his wild life back then:
Alas, Edmonds and the Dolphins were not a match made in heaven. He struggled. He dropped passes. He was traded by midseason. What happened? We catch up again with the veteran running back, fresh off re-signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Audio and video of our conversation can be found right here — as well as Apple, Spotify and YouTube.
For those who’d rather read, the written transcript is below.
Edmonds opens up on the “rage” that filled him with each mistake in Miami, getting let go by the lowly Denver Broncos, the here-we-go-again injury in Tampa Bay and why he believes this Buccaneers team has a chance to be something special. Edmonds has high praise for Baker Mayfield and Rachaad White.
He’s going to buy a house in Tampa, Fla.
This feels like home.
How in the hell you been? It’s been a couple years.
Edmonds: It’s been good the last two years. Just being able to find a home in Tampa, get some stability going and really the run that we had last year obviously was just really, really cool to be a part of. We start off 3-1, really hot, and then go through some adversity to 4-7 and then really go on that run to be a half away from playing for the NFC Championship Game was awesome. So it’s cool to get the band back together. Get the guys back in town and really try to hit this thing full speed ahead early on.
That consistency, continuity, running it back — with a sense of calm — personally has got to be nice. Last time I saw you was in Miami in a Mike McDaniel offense. Everything’s new — new contract. You’re working out like “Rocky” in Nick Hicks’ gym. The future seemed to be bright right there in Miami and they move on. You go to Denver and then you don’t know where your career is going to go from there. Start there in Miami — what happened?
Edmonds: I was just playing bad ball, bro. To look back on it and to think about it, there’s no other way around it. When I first went through it — when I first got done with the Denver season, so that was really the same season — I had just got released. First time getting cut in my life, I just remember like, “Damn, how the hell did I get here? How did I get to this point?” Just seven months ago, I signed the biggest contract in my life. I finally can prove that I am who I say I am and just to be playing the worst ball in my entire life — not just professional. That was the worst ball I was playing in my entire life and it became such a mental battle for me. It was a lot of growth, now that I look back at it. Hindsight is 20/20, but it got me a lot closer to God, which I’m forever grateful for that standpoint of who I am as a man today, who I am as a person, who I am as Chase. But to look back at that, and look at what I wanted for myself and what my goals and aspirations were, and for it to go the complete opposite was such a humbling experience. You never know what life is going to throw at you.
To get to this point now and to go through that adversity, through those trials and tribulations, where I’m going into Tampa earlier this year and you already know you’re fighting for your career at that point, especially at the running back position. Dudes get done faster than fast. I messed up my MCL pretty good in the middle of the season and I was kind of like, “Damn bro, this couldn’t happen at the worst time.” To be able to finish the season strong in the second half and be a part of that — and be able to do enough to where these guys want me back — and I have a good spot in the locker room, I have a good spot on the team. I have a good role trying to get back to my explosiveness. I’m in a really good spot right now.
I was thinking about you from afar with Miami and how it ended there and then Denver’s a nightmare.
Edmonds: I got to Denver and literally it was my second game. I was just learning the playbook there and they were actually about to let me spin. It was against the Raiders. And second carry, high-sprained ankle. Running. Breaking a tackle. A leg just gets caught up behind me — high-sprained ankle. I was like, “Dog, I can't catch a break. I. Can’t. Catch. A. Break. Right. Now.
That brings you back to college when you were depressed. That was an ankle.
Edmonds: Yeah, yeah. That takes you back and this is like, “Damn bro, what the hell is going on right now?” But by God’s grace, I made it through and I’m blessed to be here and I’m ready to just continue to work hard. And I got three more years left in me. My goal when I came into the league was Year 10. I’m getting to 10. I don’t know how it’s going to happen. I don’t know how it’s going to look, but I’m letting you know right now, brother, I’m getting to 10.
Ten years as a running back?
Edmonds: Yeah, I’m going to get it right.
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High school, finding out you’re going to be a Dad: “Scared shitless.” You get to college and you’re going to set the NCAA rushing record, and then that ankle injury sends you (into depression). And then Arizona… Miami… to today, I imagine the reason we’re probably even talking about Year 7 and maybe a Year 10 is when shit goes down, you know how to handle it.
Edmonds: And this was the hardest one. It really was. If you want to call it pressure, you can call it pressure. But after the contract I signed, obviously you have a lot of expectations. And I was ready for the expectations. I wanted the expectations. I dreamed of having that headline around my name. For you as a man — especially as a competitive man — you’ve always been great at this one thing in your life, which is football, for you to literally just be playing bad ball and then you start getting in your head and you’re like, “Damn, I can’t even catch the ball.” I had three drops my whole career Year 1 through 4. I’m over here having five drops in five games. It was crazy. Hate that it happened, love that it happened because of the growth of what I’ve learned about myself. That was my one opportunity that I could finally have all eyes on me in a sense. But I believe everything truly does happen for a reason. It put me in positions where I met certain people in my life that have changed my life since that day. So I feel like God puts us through things where you may expect one thing and it has a whole different meaning that you just don’t find out until later down in time. And that’s kind of how it is for me. If I don’t have that chapter of Miami for me, I don’t grow the way I’ve grown the last year and a half — as a man, spiritually, mentally, emotionally. I don’t meet certain people that I’ve met since Miami that have changed my life for the better, 100 percent for the better in avenues that have nothing to do with football. But just as a man, as a businessman, whether it's connections, whether it's just friendships.
I am finally at that point in my life where I no longer look at that chapter with, I guess you could say, embarrassment. Negative emotion. I look at that chapter, no, that chapter of my life is going to be the time of my life where one, I’ll always remember it for multiple reasons. But two, just because of growth and what it’s done to me as a man.
It was just playing poorly then? There wasn’t one thing you could point to as a reason for not having success that you were having — was it drop balls, not seeing cut lanes?
Edmonds: I don’t know what really triggered it, but I know once I started playing bad ball, I started getting filled with just rage and anger. It was like, “Damn bro, ain’t shit going right.” And I think one thing led to the next. In any sport — you’ll see it in golfers, you’ll see it in basketball players that go through crazy cold shooting streaks. Once you get in this streak of “Damn, what the hell is going on?” especially when you know you can do so much better. When you’ve always played well in the one thing that you’ve always played well, and you no longer can do it for a period of time, now there’s so much in your head. You’re like, “Bro, why can’t I catch the football?” It’s crazy. Especially when you’re a competitor! When you’re a competitor, it’s not like you’re somebody that truly just doesn’t care, doesn't give a damn: “I’m going to just go out here and if it happens, it happens. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. I’ll go home and collect my check.” But when you’re someone that actually cares, that’s when the mental battle is even that much harder because now you already are putting so much more pressure on yourself. And I think that’s just what it was. And for whatever reason it went down like that. And that’s how you live and grow and you learn about shit and that’s what I've done.”
What’s that state like — that “rage” — when you’re angry?
Edmonds: It’s ass, bro. I’m big on vibrations now. That's so funny. If you ask Rachaad White, I always have this joke to him: “Keep them vibrations up. Just keep your vibrations up and everything is going to be alright.” You got some high vibrations, things will work itself out. Just have a positive outlook on every single situation. … You want to be around good energy. I tell people all the time now, I’m just about good energy. All love. Just keeping it cool, keeping it happy, figuring a way. Obviously, it’s an intense game that we play, but always finding positives in that intense game and finding positives and just the experiences that we have.
Who did you meet that helped you get back on track?
Edmonds: Two people I met — and this had nothing to do with football — was a guy named Kaleb Thornhill, and at the time I think he was the director of football operations at Miami. Kaleb Thornhill and Chip Paucek, his co-founder for this community they created called PAC. And PAC just stands for Pro Athlete Community. Kaleb, he’s no longer at Miami anymore. He’s at the San Antonio Spurs now. But he essentially got a calling to God to where he was seeing, obviously in the building where he was working and just being around NFL guys, he was seeing so many guys go through financial hardships or so many guys really struggle to transition through the next chapter of their life when it comes to what's next after football.
And so he ends up deciding to start this thing called PAC, which is Pro Athlete Community. Through his extensive network and through Chip Paulcek — Chip is a great, great mentor of mine — he was a co-founder of an educational platform called 2U. He’s the CEO and co-founder of that. Did really well with that and ends up getting connected with Kaleb and really liked the vision that he had and really wanted to help out. Two genuine guys that really care. So they start this thing called PAC and created a network of whether it’s CEOs, people who run real estate syndications or just people who are successful business people in all categories, in all sectors that want to connect and want to really help guys in their transition, whether it’s finding out your interest, finding out what you want to do in life or just connecting to connect.
They’ve been going strong now for six years, but it’s really picked up speed the last two, three seasons. They actually got another business combine coming up here in Tampa, April 24-28. And I always encourage all the young guys, especially in the league to get involved with that now. Because the league stands for Not For Long for a lot of guys and it ends faster than you can think that it will ever end. And for me, just meeting those two guys really changed my mindset business-wise and how I look at the assets that I own and how I just look at me, Chase Edmonds, the man. Not just the football player. Building my portfolio, my profile and knowing that when this game stops one day that I won’t be one of those guys lost. That’s something I’m really adamant on to younger guys in the locker room now.
They had a saying that I always took from one of our business combines and it was, “Football can either be your first meal or your last meal.” And that really stuck with me. The first meal in the sense that usually the guys that get drafted in the NFL — that’s your first big paycheck. First big paycheck, you get to the NFL, you finally accomplished all your dreams and for you to work so hard and to have all these blessings given upon you and then to just not prepare yourself? It’s terrible. That’s nothing but ignorance. So I’m very adamant on guys just being smart with their money, asking questions, learning what they can do to grow their money so that when they do get out of football, finding other passions to where they’re not lost, they’re not a statistic. Because it is really sad. I hate that for my brothers just because there’s no other locker room like a football locker room in any other sport. The brotherhood that comes in with that locker room because of how much we practice, how much time we have to spend together, the blood, the sweat that you have to spend together. And so you grow a lifelong friendship with these guys. I was just at a bachelor’s party two weeks ago celebrating him getting married.
Football-wise, you’re in this state of “rage” and “anger” and it’s not going the way you ever envisioned with the Dolphins. To Denver, with the losing, it seems like it was really bad on the outside looking in. But for you personally, what was the turning point? When did you start moving toward this direction with this outlook on life and football?
Edmonds: It was unfortunate that Denver season was going how it was because it was a really good locker room. Really, really good locker room full a lot of great men. We ended up going to Aspen, 22 of us after the season was over. We took a big old bus there. And I got on the team Week 10. But that shows you the good men that we had in that locker room, very devoted men and that helped a lot with just laughing at life and trying to get back to playing fun football and just having fun with it. So that was really the turning point for me. Just the relationships that I had built in Denver. And once I did come back from injury, for me, I think the turning point was probably the Kansas City game because we were playing at Arrowhead. I mean we already knew we weren’t making the playoffs, but that was the game where I really got to spin a little bit. I think I ended up having 70 total yards on seven or eight touches. It was just a game that I really felt back to myself. I had a seam route for a 30-yard catch from Russ. And then I finished the last two games strong in Denver as well against the Chargers. and then I played well against the Rams even though we got killed. So that was the turning point I had known already I was going to be let go by Denver, but the feeling was that I was — when I had my exit meeting — that I actually wasn't going to come back. We didn’t have a head coach at that point, but I felt really good about what I put on film, the last three or four games.
And obviously they hired Sean Payton and they want to move on, which I understood. And then it worked out with Tampa. I liked the situation at Tampa just because I knew they had a guy, Rachaad White that they obviously wanted to go with — and that’s my brother, man. I love him to death. But I knew that they had question marks behind him on the depth chart. So I just felt like it was a good fit for me. Ended up going there and obviously we had a solid season despite the injury. I mean the injury kind of slowed me down a little bit, just missing five games and then trying to get in the swing of things again. But I ended up finishing the last quarter and a half of the season strong and I’m looking to build on that. I’m in a good spot right now, mentally, physically, all that. So just trying to just enjoy life right now. And I’m looking to buy a home out here. Tampa really grew on me a lot. Tampa’s a wonderful city, so that’s a blessing in itself.
How did you guys hit it off and how would you describe that relationship?
Edmonds: I don’t even know when we started hitting it off. Rachaad’s already a really good person. A really energetic and lively person. I’m a jokester, too. So in the meeting room we would always say little subtle shit. And this is before we even really knew each other. And then he just always asked a lot of questions — about life and everything — because he’s a big kid. He’s just a big ‘ol kid. That's what he is. Next thing I know, he started calling me “OG.” I’m like, “Bro, stop calling me OG. I’m only in Year 6. You got to stop there right now.”
I called OGs like Larry (Fitzgerald) and Kelvin Beachum, these dudes who were in Year 11, you know what I mean? Real OGs. And I got young guys calling me OG in Year 6.
You’re a running back, though. Those are dog years.
Edmonds: That’s what it is. The dog years. But yeah man, we just really hit it off. I think he would ask me questions about the play scheme, the play look and how I see the safety when the safety tilts and what I see in terms of defenses. So we really started hitting it off on football first and watch film together a little bit here and there and just talk ball, talk life, tell stories about my times in Arizona, what it was like playing with Larry, what it was like playing with someone like “Hop” (DeAndre Hopkins). And then before you know it, that was my little bro. We just always spent time together. We just went to Saint Lucia together after the season. They didn’t do a running back trip last year. And I had always been in crazy-tight running back rooms with James Conner, my time with “KD” (Kenyan Drake). And it just baffled me that these young kids — they were all young. I’m like, “Y’all ain't go on a running back trip?” So we made it a point that we were going to have good vibrations in the running back room at all times. And that's kind of just how we hit it off there. So that’s a cool dynamic in itself just to be able to play with him and being such a small part of his journey on what he's doing. I know the goals that he has for himself. It’s cool to push him mentally on what he goes through and what he’s going to be going through and how he can see the game better, how he can understand the game better to be the best player he can be.
I can just see how being around Rachaad White would put you in a good mood, too.
Edmonds: Oh yeah, the man’s always laughing, always smiling.
That had to have helped you with where you were at in your career and you can help him as a veteran. He could be something special.
Edmonds: Yes, he can. Yes, he can.
In Tampa Bay, when you have the Grade 2 MCL, did part of you think, “Shit, here we go again?”
Edmonds: Yeah, a little bit. It is crazy. I had just got it. They were finally going to let me spin a little bit. This is Week 3 or Week 4 against Chicago. I ripped off an 18-yard run the drive before. So I was like, “Yeah, we about to get to cooking again.” And on punt return, of course, trying to block someone, my man goes left, I’m ready to go left and I bumped knees with somebody. It tweaks my MCL so weird. It put me in a spot like, “Damn, here we go again.” But I wasn’t going to go back down that rabbit hole again. I told myself that I was not going to do that. Obviously the first week you have moments where you’re really pissed and you’re trying to get right. But man, Tampa’s full of just great people. The rehab team we had at Tampa, shout out to Bobby (Slater). Bobby’s the head trainer there. He has built such a great staff and it’s full of great people that actually care about you as the person. Because there’s some NFL teams that it’s not like that at all. It’s just a dog, dog business and they won’t care about you. They’ll try to rush you back on the field and just all sorts of stuff like that. But Tampa Bay is full of great people and it starts all the way at the top. Very fortunate to end up here.
Have you heard horror stories down those lines?
Edmonds: Oh, you hear horror stories all over the teams. And it’s a shame. But that’s just the way it is. It’ll never fully be out of the NFL because it starts from the top. So, I believe that the owners set expectations to the GM. The GM sets… it goes all the way down from that way. Until you have better owners for all 32 teams, it will always be like that in all spots.
We tend to forget that because we never hear from owners, right?
Edmonds: You never hear from them.
You guys will talk to us after games, but they can go years without talking publicly. So they’re never really held accountable, never really asked about any of this.
Edmonds: It’s nothing but a business, bro. Just how any other business is ran. The CEO sets expectations from down below and it just trickles down. That’s all it is.
In Tampa, you guys turned it on and went on a run. What sparked that? And Baker Mayfield, what’s he like as a quarterback? Your GM said he’s a 10 on the “prick” scale.
Edmonds: We love “Bake,” man. Man and I think the cool thing to see about Bake is Bake didn’t come in like that. Bake came in to himself just trying to earn everybody’s respect and just work as hard as he could work every single day and be the best quarterback that he could be every single day. And I think that was really the cool thing to see the development of him getting back to Baker Mayfield and who you saw when he was at Cleveland, when he was at Oklahoma — that charismatic, that prickness, that edge to him — I think that really started to inspire the team. We started to get the edge off of that. Defense started playing well. Offense started playing well, started running the ball well. And it was just one of those things where we’re 4-7. Our backs were against the wall. People don’t look at it like this, be like we had a team full of a lot of guys, I’m not going to necessarily say with “backs against the wall,” but looking to prove something.
And again, it starts at the top. The Bucs, the narrative was we’ve got all this dead cap, all this dead cap, can’t make any moves. They’re probably tanking for Caleb. So, it started from there. And then it starts when we’re at 4-7. Now, you’re talking about firing Todd (Bowles), even though the defense is going crazy. Baker Mayfield is on a one-year, prove-it deal trying to get himself back in and you got, “Is Mike Evans declining?” You just have all these narratives going on in our team and you’ve got guys like Hall of Famer Lavonte David not getting the respect he gets. Antoine Winfield not being a Pro Bowler when he was clearly the best safety in the NFL. So all these narratives going on with guys trying to prove themselves and I think it was a turning point when that Green Bay game really sparked it all. We had won two games prior to that. We had just won a close game in Atlanta I think the week before that and we were playing Green Bay. To go into Lambeau Field, cold game, and to have the game that we had, man, it was awesome. And it sparked something that just kept going moving forward.
That’s a great point because with so many guys, with so much to prove, you’d want Baker Mayfield as your quarterback. He’s the perfect quarterback on that kind of team.
Edmonds: And I missed so many guys that I can name. Even someone like Dave Canales. Dave had to wait 12 years to get his OC opportunity. Hell of a coach. Carolina is going to be just fine with Dave Canales — except against Tampa. So many people that I’m not even naming that it was just awesome. Once we got on that run, we got that edge. We didn't have any doubt in our mind that we couldn’t beat any team. We just felt like the way we were playing — the physicality of our team, the grit in our team, the effort on our team and how close we were getting as a unit towards the end of the season, man, I’m excited for this season coming up because again, nobody gave us a shot. We had a lot of young guys and we’ve got a lot of those same guys coming back next year and it’s a lot of good guys in the locker room. That’s the first thing that it starts with. When you have men that respect each other, they care for one another, they want to work with one another, that’s the foundation in itself. And then, the X and Os come into play and the details and the execution. But if you don’t even have that foundation, you won’t get too far. You can have all the talent in the world, you won’t get too far.
It’s not a sport that you can explain in a bunch of numbers.
Edmonds: It ain’t basketball. You can’t just have LeBron show up — 40, 12 and 15.
Off of that shoulder injury in Cleveland, Andy Janovich, a good friend of Baker Mayfield, fullback with the Browns, I think he put it best. He said, “The thing about Baker is he won’t say shit to anyone about anything. You could cut his dick off but he wouldn't f--king say shit.” I imagine you saw that side of Baker Mayfield? How mentally, physically tough, one of the guys is he?
Edmonds: Definitely a warrior. There was a play I think we were at New Orleans. This is when I had already got hurt. We were watching it on TV. He threw the ball for a touchdown and then got high-lowed. He got bent backwards like a pretzel. And I’m watching on the TV screen and they show it slow and they don’t show him afterwards. So I’m like, “Damn! I know he ain’t done for a season!” I’m thinking he’s bent backwards. They go to TV timeout because they got to get the stretcher coming out. Sure enough, he’s just fine. He gets his ankle taped up and he’s right back out there like nothing happened. He had a couple injuries with us, too. And to see him battle through it and not, like you said, not say shit and really get that edge back was awesome to see.
Guys notice it too, right? When Tampa Bay will reward a quarterback like that. Cleveland went a different route after he played through that shoulder injury. They trade all the picks for Deshaun Watson. Tampa rewards Baker. Mike Evans. Keeps everybody together. I would imagine that is talked about in a locker room when teams pay their own.
Edmonds: Definitely, definitely man. Definitely. And guys take eye to that because, again, guys talk. People in the locker room talk. And the NFL world is a small world, so things get out when you’re not dealing with good people. And when you are dealing with good people, good folks, it tends that more people want to work for you.”
How close is this team to get into the Super Bowl?
Edmonds: I think when you’re talking about it this early, you’ve got to focus on getting better right now in this moment. You still have the draft to come. I like our chances against anybody. We’ve got a hell of a schedule, which is exciting, which means a lot of big games. And it also means a lot of hard battles and I think that’s good to be battle-tested. So I don’t even like talking about Super Bowl expectations. We always talk about winning the division first. Win the South first, host the playoff game, win that playoff game and then you can start, “Hey dog…” Then you can start chittin’-and-chattin’ like that. But I do like this from our standpoint, I’ll give you a little breakdown. I love our defense, young defense, we got Yaya (Diaby) and (Calijah) Kancey up front with Vita still. We got “Te” (Lavonte David) back, which was huge obviously. We got the safety tandem back. A guy that I liked a lot is also Zyon McCollum. He was Year 2 last year. He’ll probably be battling for the corner spots since they traded Carlton (Davis). And then on the offensive side of the ball, we’ve got a young line that was put in a rough spot once we learned late that (Ryan) Jensen was not going to be able to play. And for those guys to just be able to grow together, get better together, was awesome to see. Got an All-Pro, future Hall of Famer in “Big Wirfio” (Tristan Wirfs). We’ve got a future Hall of Famer in Mike. We’ve got a hell of a 1A wide receiver in “CG” (Chris Godwin) and then obviously Rachaad White. So I love our chances going forward. I think it's just about getting together with Liam Coen’s offense and getting the run game going earlier than we did the last season. Really find the flow with that. So it'll help with the mirage of the offense and just again: Playing for each other, having guys step up. So, it’s exciting times.”
Psychologically, I get not wanting to say, “Hey, we’re absolutely we’re going to be in that.” Last year, nobody expected a thing out of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Edmonds: Nobody expected a thing.
All the dead cap money. Baker Mayfield was getting tossed around by Carolina, L.A. Carlton said it himself: He expected that defense to “wreck shit,” and for the Bucs to be competitive. So it’s somehow keeping that mentality, even though you were a couple plays from the NFC Championship game and even though now guys are paid — staying in that mind frame from the quarterback all the way through.
Edmonds: That’s what it’s all about.
Is the offense going to be that much different with a new coordinator?
Edmonds: The scheme is not that much different. Obviously, terminology might be a little different. You might have little small details in there, but in terms of actual scheme. It’s like mid-zone, outside zone, beating them off play-action. It’s a similar scheme and Bake played with him in (’22). So that obviously helps continuity there. And it’s cool that again, we got everybody back now. Everybody’s a lot closer. We’ll be able to train with each other a lot earlier on, especially in the offseason program and get things going in the right direction.
How’s life for you with a 9-year-old daughter now?
Edmonds: It’s great, man. I’m going to buy a house out here in Tampa. I’ve got a couple weddings I’ve got to go to, but man, enjoying life with my daughter. She’s nine now. Which is insane. I was actually just at her gymnastics tournament up in Westchester, Pa. So that’s a blessing obviously. I know it’s so cliche but just living the present moment. Just taking a day at a time. Get my body right, get my mind right, and just prepare to have the best season of my life coming up.
Hopefully you can get together with Patrick Laird and discuss whether free will exists.
Edmonds: Free will! Don’t get me started with him. He’s hilarious. I will, though.
But where do you stand on free will?
Edmonds: I believe that we as people have free will. I’m not even going to bring religion into it. But there’s some being or entity, however you want to perceive it, or if you want to say the “universe,” however people say it, that in the midst of our free will, its love is so generous to which we can’t even comprehend that it might put you back on the path that was meant for you. You still have the free will to mess that path up or stay on that path. But I feel like in life, it still somehow finds a way that it puts you back on that path. So I think free will is true. I think fate in a sense is true, but I believe that obviously free will can sometimes stop that fate if it’s drastic enough. But I feel like fate is that being that just guides you.
Everything works out how it’s supposed to work out. The delay is not the denial. So that’s my stance on it.
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