Faith in Daniel Jones backfired. Here's why empowering the GM to pursue & draft a quarterback — finally — is the New York Giants' best course of action.
Schoen & Dabes MUST return. As always, you nailed it! Mara needs to get out of the way (along with his nepo exec's) and just let these 2 work. Nonsense that Dabes has lost the locker room or all this talk of players not getting the message, those are the players that are shown the door. Cleaning up the cap mess, rebuilding the O-Line (it was finally professionally adequate before injuries), this past draft (Dru Phillips has star potential), and of course this pairs history of developing a QB is why they must return and given a fair shot.
I agree that Gettlemens 2nd overall pick for Saquan and then DJ at 6th caused everything. I don’t think keeping him in 2024 would have done much for the win-loss column. And the eagles took a risk. Saquan has only finished TWO out of 5 seasons since drafted. Guys hurt that often lose a step; I don’t know how he’s still healthy at 1600 rush yards!
Going for the rushing yardage record with someone that missed that much time, is insane for a legit SB contender. Saquan has maybe 2 years left all RBs decline by year 7. A Lombardi is worth more than Eric Dickerson crown.
Uh, last year they picked fifth or sixth and passed on Pennix, Nix and McCarthy. Your rational for keeping them around is … “They didn’t get their turn to draft a QB.” Yes they did. And they chose not to. Now a year later they are back, worse than the year before, and much worse than their first season and you say they deserve a fourth chance. If I’m ever accused of murder Tyler, I want you in the jury box.
Dabold is a losing coach. He’s had three years. The GM is a losing GM, he’s had at least three years. They aren’t winning and won’t win. Ownership knows it. Giants players know it. Giants fans know it. Get the broom and sweep both of them out of their offices on Black Monday.
Not to be rude but I have to quote Andrew Dice Clay and ask all of you “Are you fucking blind?” Lol You simply cannot keep a GM who built, and a coach who heads up, a TWO WIN team in a parity filled NFL. You just can’t. Seriously Ty, you or I could win TWO GAMES in this league. They have done absolutely nothing to merit coming back in three years. The roster sucks, the play calling sucks and you are right. We are tired of blaming Gettleman especially since the only success the Buffalo Boys have had was with the talent he assembled. And what else does Josh Allen have to do to stop this myth that Daboll created him? He keeps getting better and Daboll has been gone three years! I hate to see anyone get fired. But these guys have had their chance. Time for something new (Vrabel) or even better, something old (Belichick).
I’m not quite sure if this was your intention or not, but Saquon Barkley has never been an Olympic sprinter. Devon Allen is an Olympic sprinter and played for the Eagles last year.
Dabold has gone from 9-7-1, to 6-11 to 2-11 as of Dec. 11, 2024. That’s 17-29-1. Under Dabold, the Giants have won 37% of their games. Yet, there are fans and members of the media, like our beloved Tyler Dunne (“beloved” not meant to be sarcastic) who say that’s good enough to give him another year? I know the Jets are lousy (again), but if winning 37% of the time is now acceptable pro football performance in NYC, then we have reached surrealism in the Big Apple.
Ty, is this year’s QB crop truly impressive? I know this bunch has to scout them, but are we talking about Willis and the Mayo man, part deux? I think there’s a huge risk in taking one of these QBs top of the draft. Which means stopping the rot with something available on just the right deal …
There isn’t a FRANCHISE QB in this next draft. The best is Milroe and he has limitations too. They would do well accumulating as many picks as possible and selling their souls to draft Manning 2 years from now. None of these QB’s this year know how to read a defense and none are smart enough to figure it out. I’d trade out of 1-2 and get capital for next year.
Schoen and Daboll are DMW. Everyone seems to recognize the inevitability of that. They need a complete reboot and the one thing that is clear is that the fans of the Bills who were worried about Daboll and Schoen stealing the recipe and all our secrets, can sleep better. Schoen came across on Hard Knocks as someone way in over his head, and made two really bad bets, three actually if you add in hiring Daboll, who is a decent OC but is not a HC.
Please, quarterback aside, Scheon had 3 years to build the OL AND defense. He failed plain and simple. I supported DJ but I’m not the GM, he is! They must go, period! I have zero faith they can evaluate talent … Zero
Good read, Tyler. Thank you. I’m still unsure on whether I want both back, but I’d edge towards Schoen over Daboll.
My biggest fears with Daboll are (1) the Washington kicker debacle was the second time that this kind of issue came up and mistakes weren’t learned; (2) the Tampa game showed a disgusting lack of effort and application; (3) the issues with Banks, reaction to McCloud being cut, and players speaking out when Jones was benched shows a locker room happy to speak its mind. I’m not sure there’s any way back from 2 and 3 - 2 will get worse if we lose out this season.
Schoen & Dabes MUST return. As always, you nailed it! Mara needs to get out of the way (along with his nepo exec's) and just let these 2 work. Nonsense that Dabes has lost the locker room or all this talk of players not getting the message, those are the players that are shown the door. Cleaning up the cap mess, rebuilding the O-Line (it was finally professionally adequate before injuries), this past draft (Dru Phillips has star potential), and of course this pairs history of developing a QB is why they must return and given a fair shot.
I agree that Gettlemens 2nd overall pick for Saquan and then DJ at 6th caused everything. I don’t think keeping him in 2024 would have done much for the win-loss column. And the eagles took a risk. Saquan has only finished TWO out of 5 seasons since drafted. Guys hurt that often lose a step; I don’t know how he’s still healthy at 1600 rush yards!
Going for the rushing yardage record with someone that missed that much time, is insane for a legit SB contender. Saquan has maybe 2 years left all RBs decline by year 7. A Lombardi is worth more than Eric Dickerson crown.
Uh, last year they picked fifth or sixth and passed on Pennix, Nix and McCarthy. Your rational for keeping them around is … “They didn’t get their turn to draft a QB.” Yes they did. And they chose not to. Now a year later they are back, worse than the year before, and much worse than their first season and you say they deserve a fourth chance. If I’m ever accused of murder Tyler, I want you in the jury box.
Dabold is a losing coach. He’s had three years. The GM is a losing GM, he’s had at least three years. They aren’t winning and won’t win. Ownership knows it. Giants players know it. Giants fans know it. Get the broom and sweep both of them out of their offices on Black Monday.
Not to be rude but I have to quote Andrew Dice Clay and ask all of you “Are you fucking blind?” Lol You simply cannot keep a GM who built, and a coach who heads up, a TWO WIN team in a parity filled NFL. You just can’t. Seriously Ty, you or I could win TWO GAMES in this league. They have done absolutely nothing to merit coming back in three years. The roster sucks, the play calling sucks and you are right. We are tired of blaming Gettleman especially since the only success the Buffalo Boys have had was with the talent he assembled. And what else does Josh Allen have to do to stop this myth that Daboll created him? He keeps getting better and Daboll has been gone three years! I hate to see anyone get fired. But these guys have had their chance. Time for something new (Vrabel) or even better, something old (Belichick).
Great article. I agree but it feels like I’m in the minority when keeping the regime.
I’m not quite sure if this was your intention or not, but Saquon Barkley has never been an Olympic sprinter. Devon Allen is an Olympic sprinter and played for the Eagles last year.
Daniel Jones 2022 but up crap film. Could not read a defense but the scheme mad 2-3 guys open. It’s ugly
Dabold has gone from 9-7-1, to 6-11 to 2-11 as of Dec. 11, 2024. That’s 17-29-1. Under Dabold, the Giants have won 37% of their games. Yet, there are fans and members of the media, like our beloved Tyler Dunne (“beloved” not meant to be sarcastic) who say that’s good enough to give him another year? I know the Jets are lousy (again), but if winning 37% of the time is now acceptable pro football performance in NYC, then we have reached surrealism in the Big Apple.
Ty, is this year’s QB crop truly impressive? I know this bunch has to scout them, but are we talking about Willis and the Mayo man, part deux? I think there’s a huge risk in taking one of these QBs top of the draft. Which means stopping the rot with something available on just the right deal …
There isn’t a FRANCHISE QB in this next draft. The best is Milroe and he has limitations too. They would do well accumulating as many picks as possible and selling their souls to draft Manning 2 years from now. None of these QB’s this year know how to read a defense and none are smart enough to figure it out. I’d trade out of 1-2 and get capital for next year.
Schoen and Daboll are DMW. Everyone seems to recognize the inevitability of that. They need a complete reboot and the one thing that is clear is that the fans of the Bills who were worried about Daboll and Schoen stealing the recipe and all our secrets, can sleep better. Schoen came across on Hard Knocks as someone way in over his head, and made two really bad bets, three actually if you add in hiring Daboll, who is a decent OC but is not a HC.
Please, quarterback aside, Scheon had 3 years to build the OL AND defense. He failed plain and simple. I supported DJ but I’m not the GM, he is! They must go, period! I have zero faith they can evaluate talent … Zero
Good read, Tyler. Thank you. I’m still unsure on whether I want both back, but I’d edge towards Schoen over Daboll.
My biggest fears with Daboll are (1) the Washington kicker debacle was the second time that this kind of issue came up and mistakes weren’t learned; (2) the Tampa game showed a disgusting lack of effort and application; (3) the issues with Banks, reaction to McCloud being cut, and players speaking out when Jones was benched shows a locker room happy to speak its mind. I’m not sure there’s any way back from 2 and 3 - 2 will get worse if we lose out this season.