The New York Giants examined the autopsy and made the right changes. GM Joe Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll have them one win from the playoffs. Now, about that quarterback...
Tyler - Well done again. DJ has it in front of him. Win this week and the season is a tremendous success. I am in the camp of signing Jones to a short duration contract and adding more pieces. 6 months ago I would have said something different - DJ deserves some praise. He has potential to be the long-term QB. By the way, it took Phil Simms roughly 5 seasons to reach his full potential. The organization is moving in the right direction (finally). Now, Mara and his crew need to leave Schoen/Daboll alone.
By the way, you and your group deserve a ton of credit. The work you published a year ago finally shed light on ownership’s ineptness. However, it took an abomination in the last 2 games of last year to force Mara’s hand. He was about to deal with an outright mutiny of his fan base. Fortunately, he realized it and took the necessary steps. Your work really helped propel the change (the NYC/NJ-based newspapers all continued to use soft gloves on Mara as the season spiraled into a hell hole). Keep up the great work on the league.
Unbelievably appreciate of this. Thank you so much for reading The Autopsy and supporting all things Go Long. I think one major benefit of covering the whole league -- parachuting in with as open a mind as possible -- is I can compare a front office NY vs. one elsewhere. Your radar's up. You start to smell something funny. While I do understand that ex-scouts will have an edge to them (and they'd readily admit it), their specific stories/examples of everything going on in Gettleman's world brought the situation to light.
You nailed it with this: "Now, Mara and his crew need to leave Schoen/Daboll alone."
I'm optimistic they will, but who knows? Chris Mara still has his fingerprints all over ownership and personnel. Tim McDonnell, John's nephew, is right there seated by Joe Schoen during games. I think that fear's still there. They can tell the GM what to do any time. But the state of affairs become such a disaster last year that one would think they'd trust the football people to do football things.
Very grateful we have a foundation of readers who want the good, the bad and the ugly. Thanks to you all!
Can’t echo this enough! Your work last year finally got local media to take the kiddie gloves off and go after John Mara, while quoting your work. Then Twitter started to light up. I wonder how much that even contributed to Joe Judge’s meltdown during the postgame press conference after losing to the Bears. Then of course losing it complete with the infamous surrender formation.
Now to the credit of John Mara, he put his ego aside and made a decision based on sound procedure in hiring Schoen/Daboll, instead of the easy decision by promoting Kevin Abrams to GM.
Kudos to you, Tyler. You helped save a proud franchise. Even as a Jets fan, I think the NFL is better when the Giants are relevant.
Big, big thanks, Dan. Really appreciate your kind words here.
It really did blow my mind that the plan was Abrams-Judge with Judge asserting even more control. Teams love to trumpet continuity but, holy heck. At that cost?
And there are some very, very sharp people who cover the Giants. Know some of them well. Always like to read my guy, Vac at The Post.
Overall, I think the Giants are one of the most PR-savvy teams in the league. Their comm director can steer and massage a message.
Another great pice Ty! One caveat: as long as the anonymous exec isn’t a former Giant employee I can buy his argument. But all of them hit the nail on the head…where are you going to find someone better? You’re not. So sign DJ. Get some receivers and lineman and see what happens. It’s not as if the rest of the NFC is that much better. In fact, even with the limited talent they have, I think the only team the Giants couldn’t play with are the Eagles. And that changes with only a few additions.
Thanks a lot, Thomas. You really got me thinking about the Giants way back as an OG Go Long subscriber. Was left feeling torn on Daniel Jones even after hitting publish. Hard to go all, all in but I think the two sides can find a number that works and allows NY to aggressively add talent via FA/trades/draft. Just as the Giants will want Jones at their #, it behooves Jones to stick around. If he were to head to the Commanders or the Raiders, he'd risk losing all the personal gains he made with Daboll. They've got a pretty good thing cooking that doesn't need to preclude them from big-game hunting.
This is a good piece. I was highly critical of your sidekick Jim on the podcast, but this is balanced.
I still don't understand what Jim and the anonymous NFL exec you quote expect from Jones. I went into this season completely undecided about Jones, but he has won me over. My gawd....look at his receiver room! Going into this year, if you were predicting Giant success, you would have said that Golladay had to regain his former form and Toney showed himself worthy of his draft slot. Neither happened, and the receivers are a guy who started the year in the doghouse (Slayton), a SF slot castoff (Richie James), and a guy waived by Buffalo midseason. As to what Jones does, look at the two TD passes last week. On the one to Bellinger, Jones sensed the pressure, moved up and then ran out of the pocket to buy time. I think it was Jim Nagy who tweeted that no one has done more with less than Jones.
i think it is gonna be a 3 year deal for him somewhere in the $20-30M AAV.
Tyler - Well done again. DJ has it in front of him. Win this week and the season is a tremendous success. I am in the camp of signing Jones to a short duration contract and adding more pieces. 6 months ago I would have said something different - DJ deserves some praise. He has potential to be the long-term QB. By the way, it took Phil Simms roughly 5 seasons to reach his full potential. The organization is moving in the right direction (finally). Now, Mara and his crew need to leave Schoen/Daboll alone.
By the way, you and your group deserve a ton of credit. The work you published a year ago finally shed light on ownership’s ineptness. However, it took an abomination in the last 2 games of last year to force Mara’s hand. He was about to deal with an outright mutiny of his fan base. Fortunately, he realized it and took the necessary steps. Your work really helped propel the change (the NYC/NJ-based newspapers all continued to use soft gloves on Mara as the season spiraled into a hell hole). Keep up the great work on the league.
Unbelievably appreciate of this. Thank you so much for reading The Autopsy and supporting all things Go Long. I think one major benefit of covering the whole league -- parachuting in with as open a mind as possible -- is I can compare a front office NY vs. one elsewhere. Your radar's up. You start to smell something funny. While I do understand that ex-scouts will have an edge to them (and they'd readily admit it), their specific stories/examples of everything going on in Gettleman's world brought the situation to light.
You nailed it with this: "Now, Mara and his crew need to leave Schoen/Daboll alone."
I'm optimistic they will, but who knows? Chris Mara still has his fingerprints all over ownership and personnel. Tim McDonnell, John's nephew, is right there seated by Joe Schoen during games. I think that fear's still there. They can tell the GM what to do any time. But the state of affairs become such a disaster last year that one would think they'd trust the football people to do football things.
Very grateful we have a foundation of readers who want the good, the bad and the ugly. Thanks to you all!
Can’t echo this enough! Your work last year finally got local media to take the kiddie gloves off and go after John Mara, while quoting your work. Then Twitter started to light up. I wonder how much that even contributed to Joe Judge’s meltdown during the postgame press conference after losing to the Bears. Then of course losing it complete with the infamous surrender formation.
Now to the credit of John Mara, he put his ego aside and made a decision based on sound procedure in hiring Schoen/Daboll, instead of the easy decision by promoting Kevin Abrams to GM.
Kudos to you, Tyler. You helped save a proud franchise. Even as a Jets fan, I think the NFL is better when the Giants are relevant.
Big, big thanks, Dan. Really appreciate your kind words here.
It really did blow my mind that the plan was Abrams-Judge with Judge asserting even more control. Teams love to trumpet continuity but, holy heck. At that cost?
And there are some very, very sharp people who cover the Giants. Know some of them well. Always like to read my guy, Vac at The Post.
Overall, I think the Giants are one of the most PR-savvy teams in the league. Their comm director can steer and massage a message.
Another great pice Ty! One caveat: as long as the anonymous exec isn’t a former Giant employee I can buy his argument. But all of them hit the nail on the head…where are you going to find someone better? You’re not. So sign DJ. Get some receivers and lineman and see what happens. It’s not as if the rest of the NFC is that much better. In fact, even with the limited talent they have, I think the only team the Giants couldn’t play with are the Eagles. And that changes with only a few additions.
Thanks a lot, Thomas. You really got me thinking about the Giants way back as an OG Go Long subscriber. Was left feeling torn on Daniel Jones even after hitting publish. Hard to go all, all in but I think the two sides can find a number that works and allows NY to aggressively add talent via FA/trades/draft. Just as the Giants will want Jones at their #, it behooves Jones to stick around. If he were to head to the Commanders or the Raiders, he'd risk losing all the personal gains he made with Daboll. They've got a pretty good thing cooking that doesn't need to preclude them from big-game hunting.
This is a good piece. I was highly critical of your sidekick Jim on the podcast, but this is balanced.
I still don't understand what Jim and the anonymous NFL exec you quote expect from Jones. I went into this season completely undecided about Jones, but he has won me over. My gawd....look at his receiver room! Going into this year, if you were predicting Giant success, you would have said that Golladay had to regain his former form and Toney showed himself worthy of his draft slot. Neither happened, and the receivers are a guy who started the year in the doghouse (Slayton), a SF slot castoff (Richie James), and a guy waived by Buffalo midseason. As to what Jones does, look at the two TD passes last week. On the one to Bellinger, Jones sensed the pressure, moved up and then ran out of the pocket to buy time. I think it was Jim Nagy who tweeted that no one has done more with less than Jones.
i think it is gonna be a 3 year deal for him somewhere in the $20-30M AAV.